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One of the most popular Skyrim mods called Civil War Overhaul created by a modder who goes by the alias “Appollodown” was an absolute hit since its goal was to present and make the player experience the great civil war which was raging in Skyrim’s fictional history.
I believe it would be very, very much against Apollodown's wishes for the mod to be distributed like that,and I will play no part in it. However,considering the fact that he pulled all of his mods from the Nexus temporarily until the passing of the American election,and now that he's pulled the mod from the Nexus again,I think it would be safe to assume it has something to do with that,though I don't know for certain,and I have no idea where Apollodown puts up news and such outside of the Nexus.So,yeah. If anyone has any news about this,I'd also like to know. He pulled it because he was upset about the trash talk about SJW, Feminists, Blacklives matter, etc. He is liberal and was hoping for a Hillary Clinton victory. In his self assuredness of a Clinton Victory and anger at Trump supporters he pulled all his mods until the election was over.
I believe he aimed to make them available once Clinton won but since Trump was the winner he still hasn't put them back up (as a form of protest). Maybe he is out there with all the protesters which is why the mods aren't available yet. There was an election?LOL.On a serious note, I also hope Apollodown is reworking CWO. I'd love to try a new version of it. There is precedent for this sort of thing.
MyGoodEye (along with GrandBulwark) completely re-engineered WarZones. WZ, as some of you old-timers might remember, was a great mod that added civil war battles all across the face of Skyrim. Unfortunately, it was a bit buggy (to put it kindly.) But he and GrandBulwark completely re-coded it and gave it a shiny new MCM menu (which got rid of a lot of issues) and re-published it on the Nexus as 'WarZones2015'. It was very well received by new users.Perhaps Apollodown will partner with some folks to do much the same thing.
We can but hope.
They'll fight it, they really have no other option, but the Thalmor will crush them since they can't get the same numbers, quality and loyalty of troops they did even back in the first Dominion war. However, independent Skyrim, Hammerfell and Cyrodiil would be able to rally together enough people interested in their own little region to keep fighting (especially in the guerilla style which seems to be effective against most empires like the Dominion). The elves may be able to pacify an Empire, but not three kingdoms.
Because I'm NRx and generally prefer Imperium to populist nationalism, aesthetically and politically. Also, though as others have shown it isn't the most compelling argument. I just like Tullius as a character more than Ulfric. In a way that obfuscates the decisions of the Skyrim PC. I honestly have no idea what that may look like. Potentially the coming conflict between the Empire/humanity and the Dominion will be such a big deal that no one will care about or mention the outcome of the Skyrim civil war. Extremely fucked 5.
Less fucked than the reverse. Don't Ulfric and Galmar say after they win the Civil War 'And now to kill all elve-I mean Thalmor in Alinor!' That's an empty platitude from Tullius. And the Empire already fought the Dominion- then when they could have kicked them out of Hammerfell AND kept all their security and gods, they bent over and let a big golden dick slip into their tropical Nibeneyan backsides. So the Empire promising to fight the Thalmor is likewise a pretty empty statement.
They could do the exact same thing or they could 'really mean it this time, honest' I don't know what NRx means. Can you please elucidate? I don't know what NRx means. Can you please elucidate? It's a /pol/itical ideology, so I don't want to get into too much detail and start a shitstorm. It's shorthand for neoreactionary.
It's basically a revitalization of reactionary politics in the internet age, mostly advocated by American millenials through online blogs and essays, though IRL organization has started to take place in Vancouver and to some degree Idaho. I merely thought there might be some /pol/ overlap here and people would generally know what I was talking about, I don't intend to start a political discussion here. If you're genuinely interested just look it up, the Hestia Society is pretty much the go-to resource. If by 'populist nationalism' opposed to Monarchy you mean cases of perfectly good constitutions being overthrown by upstarts pseudo-monarchs like Napoleon or Hitler, then Ulfric isn't actually doing that. Ulfric's clan are Jarls of Windhelm, a city built by Ysgramor.
They are in the upper echelon of Skyrim nobility, they are not upstart populists or edgy kids. What is more, Ulfric's slaying of Torygg was lawful rebellion: he had no confidence in his king and sought to duel him FIRST before marching to war: going to war against the Empire was a last resort. But when two Jarls other than the king's widow proved to be Imperial puppets(and quite evil, by all accounts), and two more good Jarls refused to support him because they were of the opinion war would be bad for their holds, then Skyrim fell into civil war.
After Ulfric killed Torygg, it naturally fell to him to be the king of the independent portion of Skyrim. After all, he was the one leading the secession not to mention the fact that he is noble by birth(as mentioned before). Ulfric is a monarch, and all the Jarls who join him in the rebellion recognize him as their leader, thereby allowing him to pass the requirement of the Nordic kingsmoot. They are only very superficially Roman.
Their gods are more of a Greek/Egyptian hybrid, and their culture seems to be either German/Dutch (Colovian) or English with some elements of Greek and Spanish (Nibenean), influenced in many regions by neighboring cultures. If any culture in TES is Roman, it's the Dunmer; powerful Houses, three emperors (also gods, which is something the Romans wouldn't do, but still), a highly hedonistic society which rather hypocritically has very conservative laws and customs, disdain for outsiders yet willingness to do business with them, high respect for ancestors, and a shitload of slavery. a highly hedonistic society That wasn't quite Rome either.
It's often portrayed that way in movies and literature but the average Roman was just a farmer and a soldier with one wife. No wine-fueled sex orgies for him. I can kind of see your thing with Dunmer but there's one pivotal difference and that's the Romans were expansive and inclusive. The Dunmer are isolationist and as far as I can tell have no ambition to rule an empire. One of the reasons Rome was so successful is that it incorporated the people it conquered and made them Romans as well. That sounds quite a bit like the Imperials and nothing like the Dunmer. But yes the Imperials are missing the slave economy and the soldier citizen thing.
To be fair the latter tradition died out as generals became more important than politicians but that's pretty much the state the Imperials are in now. It's easier to control three kingdoms when they are all governed by the same ruling body. Three separate kingdoms with different governments loosely allied by mutual interests on the other hand would be more difficult. The Mane Because who gives a fuck. It won't matter.
The era will be wiped from memory due to a Dragonbreak. To tell you the truth the Empire is as fucked with Skyrim as it is without it. The Empire is simply fucked no matter what happens. It's crumbling. It's decayed. It has a dead Emperor and no good heir to unite the Colovians and Nibenese. Skyrim is fucked because it's Skyrim and that is the natural state of the Nordic homeland.
Who did you side with, if anyone? The Empire Why? Because the dividing the race of Men apart further is just giving the Thalmor what they want. Also because the Stormcloaks are retarded idealists in general. How will the two very different potential outcomes be handled in TES VI? Warp in the North How fucked is the Empire without Skyrim?
High Rock and Cyrodiil are cut off from one another, the Empire loses a huge chunk of their legionary recruitment population and all the resources of Skyrim. So, pretty fucked. How fucked is Skyrim without the Empire? Shares two borders with the Empire that is now hostile.
General low views of magic and elven races (Dunmer in particular) would likely mean less-than-fun relations with the reborn Morrowind. Also some of Ulfric's Jarls admit that they believe he's only in it for himself, and are only siding with the enemy they know.
While Ulfric may be legit, this isn't a healthy support base to have against the Dominion which excells at espionage and subversion. Because the dividing the race of Men apart further is just giving the Thalmor what they want. This seems to be the main logic for people who chose the Empire. But as someone who was 55/45 Stormcloaks/Empire my view is the flipside of that argument- that the Empire is a sinking ship and dividing humanity is more like not putting all your eggs in one basket. If all of humanity is represented by the Empire, then all of humanity is defeated in the Great War, all of humanity has to accept the White Gold Concordat etc.
this isn't a healthy support base to have against the Dominion which excells at espionage and subversion. I've seen this said before and another thing I'd like to point out is that all indications point to the Empire being absolutely infested with Thalmor agents. They were infiltrated and coopted even when the Blades were still around and during a cold war.
The White Gold Concordat basically makes it legal for Thalmor agents to infiltrate Imperial society. Pro-Imp guys go 'Well the Empire will declare war soon and then the Stormcloaks will look like idiots' But I would posit that the Empire may be so compromised that it would be even less effective this time than it would be during the last war. But as I said, 55/45 Stormcloaks.
It's definitely not clear cut. Empire is a sinking ship and dividing humanity is more like not putting all your eggs in one basket. True, but I'd also argue that that splitting the nations up just makes it easier for the Thalmor to play them against each other. I can't imagine a Stormcloak caring too much about Cyrodiil in trouble (hurr, serves them right for being pussies) or vice-versa (hurr, serves them right for rebelling) Empire being absolutely infested with Thalmor agents. The White Gold Concordat basically makes it legal for Thalmor agents to infiltrate Imperial society.
I'll give you this. Though given the Ulfric dossier and the modus operandi of the Thalmor, I won't be surprised if they've already gotten roots down among the Stormcloaks just in case. After all, the dossier mentioned contact with Ulfric during the Civil War. How would the Thalmor be able to arrange if not by espionage? It's a very grey scenario.
Who did you side with, if anyone? Stormcloak Why? The Emperor is a weak leader. The Empire's weak leadership prevents them from beating the Thalmor. The White-Gold Concordat was probably the worst idea ever.
How will the two very different potential outcomes be handled in TES VI? Making the choice of the player not matter. What the player played through was just the first part of a much longer war in which General Tullius, Ulfric Stormcloak and Emperor Titus Mede II all die.
I honestly think they're trying to do away with the Empire. How fucked is the Empire without Skyrim?
They're fucked with or without Skyrim. How fucked is Skyrim without the Empire? Better off with out them. Who did you side with, if anyone?
Depends on the playthrough. I've played an Imperial legate, Stormblade, and an apolitical serial killer. It's not a very personal decision for me. It's just roleplaying.
How will the two very different potential outcomes be handled in TES VI? My best guess is it won't in any great detail. Bethesda will probably work out some narrative where the decisions were completely inconsequential as the Aldmeri Dominion simply swept through anyway or some other scenario that prevents clashing with any player's playthrough. Aside from the gender of the Nerevarine as described by Neloth or maybe some other examples I'm forgetting right now they usually try to keep the timeline that were played out in previous games as vague as possible. How fucked is the Empire without Skyrim? Well they barely scraped through the Great War.
Sure they put a nice dent in the AD's army during the Battle of the Red Ring, but as we clearly saw by the events of Skyrim the Aldmeri Dominion ultimately maintained the upper hand. Anyway back to the question I would kinda hope that even an independent Skyrim would be willing to align themselves with the Empire in order to face a common enemy.
This may be wishful thinking as Ulfric seems content with the idea that the Empire is already dead. So if the Stormcloaks did decide to stay neutral and secure their own borders well things aren't looking good for the Empire. Maybe the Redguards would be willing to put bad blood aside to help out, but no matter what having an entire province decline any aid would put them at a significant disadvantage during the second Great War.
How fucked is Skyrim without the Empire? Well this one is a little complicated. A lot of people love to bring up the Hammerfell resistance against the Aldmeri Dominion as proof that the Stormcloaks could fight them off, but what they fail to realize or acknowledge is the Second Treaty of Stros M'Kai was signed during a standstill.
It was not a victory for either side. The Aldmeri Dominion was still recovering from its loses during the Battle of the Red Ring, and they still managed to wipe out most of southern Hammerfell. This is strictly speculation on my part, but maybe the Thalmor just saw this whole debacle as a cause not worth losing any more of their people over and conceded to the terms of the treaty in order to recover and focus on the Empire.
On the other hand an attack by sea would be difficult as they would have to go around Tamriel and through the Sea of Ghosts to approach Skyrim. If they decided to go by land it's all mountainous region across Skyrim and they would still have to fight through the Empire to get to Skyrim. The landscape is in Skyrim's favor, but even a win for the Stormcloaks puts them at a disadvantage against an invading force as by then they have dwindled their numbers significantly fighting a civil war. I just don't have a guess here that couldn't be debunked by another scenario so for me it's a coin flip on the Stormcloak's chance against the Thalmor as long as they stay in their own borders. From a defensive position it could maybe work. From an offensive position they're screwed.
My most entertaining playthrough was as an impulsive orc brute. He basically just lashed out at anything that angered him without considering the consequences. Since the Imperials wanted to execute him, he immediately stole a horse and rode straight to Windhelm to join the Stormcloaks, since he wanted to take it to the Imperials. He joined, then got sent to fetch some kind of item or whatever. He was already bored with the Stormcloaks at that point, but he figured he'd ditch them after that, maybe kill the lot of the guy he was meant to meet up with since they were looking down on him.
Then it turned out to be tons of Imperials at the ruins, which was nice, so he killed them. Then there was a bunch of draugr, which he killed. Then he found it, the greatest helmet he had ever laid eyed on. It was heavy, made out of metal, and full of sharp bones! Since he had basically killed everything while the weak Stormcloaks hid behind his back, he was rather offended when they demanded he hand over the crown, so he killed them, and then he fucked off to other adventures without giving more thought to either the Imperials or Stormcloaks. Skyrim can at best boot the Thalmor out for awhile. To go on the offensive, they would need to work with the other provinces, at which point it's at best the same as not having left the Empire, but likely worse.
Ulfric has no idea what he's doing, because he doesn't know the Thalmor's strength. The Empire doubtlessly knows more about the Thalmor's power, that means the Empire is better equipped to judge the time to strike. I've seen people say that it'd be more troublesome to fight a splintered Empire where the provinces fight independently.
The Empire has always allowed a great deal of military independence for the provinces, they aren't suddenly going to try to force any province's forces into adapting a style of combat they're not used to and which their provinces aren't suitable for. They have the Legion presence, which come from all provinces, and which fight as the Legion. Then the provinces have their own military.
That has never changed. To fight the Thalmor at this point means to fight their presence in the provinces, first and foremost, and the Empire would in no way get in the way of the provinces doing that, any Legion presence would be a boost with few or no downsides. Even if you took Skyrim for yourself the problem still arises; be an independent nation or side with the Empire? Who did you side with, if anyone?
Honestly haven't done it yet, but I'm most likely going to side with the Empire if I do. The Empire's gearing for final war with the currently under-resourced Thalmor and a united Tamriel stands a better chance.
Stormcloaks are isolationists in an age of international war with someone that won't take no for an answer when the Empire can rally Skyrim AND everyone else. This is all under the caveat that the Empire gets its shit together. How will the two very different potential outcomes be handled in TES VI? How fucked is the Empire without Skyrim? Lose the majority of their frontline warriors and offensive might. Rather fucked. How fucked is Skyrim without the Empire?
Short term - Unfucked, they get to be left alone for possibly a generation Long term - What said. Skyrim's isolationist approach to international politics won't help in a world war when the Thalmor are already present. At that point it depends entirely on what the Thalmor do.
Skyrim simply isn't as strong as the combined Empire. They may have geographical advantage, but in a universe were magic exists it most likely would not matter long term against a rebuilt Thalmor army that's already within the borders. Solution: Empire gears up, Nordic recruitment drive simply states 'The Thalmor invaded your lands and banned the worship of your lord Talos. We have allowed this for too long.
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Because I am a Man (and not a Mer), my allegiance is entirely devoted to Talos. Because the empire officially denounced the worship of Talos, I cannot support it. Wulf said it best: The Emperor is getting old. Don't know how much longer he'll hang on. So is the whole Empire, for that matter.
Getting old, that is. The Emperor and the legions have held the Empire together for hundreds of years.
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It's been a good thing, by and large. But maybe it's time for a change. Time for something young and new.
Because I'm old. Old dog doesn't get new ideas. But maybe young folks like you should try some new ideas.
I don't know. Could be messy. But change is never pretty. Of course, that doesn't mean I am entirely pro-Stormcloak Who did you side with, if anyone? It's hard to side with either in this conflict. But it's better that the Empire go away as fast as possible, because I think it its continued existence is cancerous to mankind. How will the two very different potential outcomes be handled in TES VI?
As anons have stated in this thread, both the Empire and Ulfric fucked in the long term. TES VI will deal with the natural progression of both 'outcomes' – Aldmeri Dominion invasion and re-occupation of much of Tamriel. How fucked is the Empire without Skyrim Extremely fucked. How fucked is Skyrim without the Empire? But a better question to pose is: How fucked is Mankind without the Empire And the answer, I think, not fucked at all. In its present state, the Empire is run by an illegitimate bunch of barbarians, and can no longer adequately represent the collection of human races as a whole. Ultimately, I believe the AD will be beat back rather badly and bloodily.
My speculation is based on three things: the fact that many men still worship Talos across Tamriel, the fact that the Elder Council is still around, and a (possibly unfounded) conviction that the decline of the Empire and the rise of the Thalmor is directly inspired by the fall of the Roman & Byzantine empires and the rise of the Ottoman empire. I think this has some merit, with all the parallels (particularly the sacking of White-Gold tower reflecting the sacking of Constantinople). I like to believe that wherever present imperial influence wanes, worship of Talos thrives. This will very likely lead to a reinvention of the Imperial Cult into something much-more fanatically cult-like, which would lead to a re-unification of mankind purely under the worship of the divines, and an urge to behead all who insult or deny Talos, possibly culminating in someone mantling Talos (if the dragonborn hasn't done this already) and leading a bloody reconquista of southern hammerfell and viscous crusades upon inner-Cyrodill (Jerusalem). And come to think of it, Skyrim probably does stand a good chance. If we look at the centuries following the fall of the Roman empire, we see a somewhat-incompetent but hardy bunch of barbarians creating their own empire: first weak in its own infighting, but eventually giving birth to one of the first of many brutal examples of Christian Imperialism in European history (pic related). TL;DR: TES VI: Reconquista featuring based Redguards killing filthy Thalmor and Breton Jews is inevitable.
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Who did you side with, if anyone? Stormcloaks in an indirect capacity, the companions philosophy is best Why? Because the Law's purpose is to protect the life liberty and property of its citizens and nothing more. The White gold concordat voilates the life (by allowing foreign adversaries free reign to roam man's territory and apply their own positive laws on subjects not their own), Liberty (by entering peoples personal lives to decide who they can and can't worship and therefore their moral and ethical compass) and property (allowing Thalmor warrentless raids on the homes of ciizens as well as the warrentless search and seizure by domestic Imperial authorities) as such this makes Imperial law illegitmate How will the two very different potential outcomes be handled in TES VI? Lol dragon break, akatosh/alduin ripped time we ain't gotta splain shit.
(i really wish obsidian did the civil war, imagine Fallout New Vegas level of detail for the political dichotomy and intrigue between the two) How fucked is the Empire without Skyrim? Pretty fucked, their already fucked considering cyrodil is a commerce based economy and most of their former trading partners hate them. Skyrim will probably heavilly tax their trade in agricultural and industrial goods, they won't have the funds nor the real manpower How fucked is Skyrim without the Empire? Not so much, to get to skyrim they have to get through cyrodil which will act as a buffer state.
They can invade by sea but that will be slow and treaherous as the north is surrounded by icey water as well as iceebergs. The landing force would likely b pushed back into the sea. Neither, with some stronger Imperial leaning I can sympathize with both sides too much to want one completely wrecking the other, especially with all the bloodshed.
Dragonborn calls for ceasefire Elenwen btfo Dragonborn tells both sides to cut their pissing match out, they all hate the Thalmor so get the fuck over it Now he's gonna go fly a dragon into the afterlife so he can kill an immortal aspect of time, and when he returns there'd better not be any milk-drinkers afraid of fighting some elven pricks I can only wish Or maybe we really do get Black Marsh or some other region that wouldn't be too concerned with the outcome in the first place. I can understand why the Stormcloaks are racist toward Dunmer to an extent. They don't have the best track record. Remember when they enslaved shittons of people? That said, I'm not sure the Stormcloaks are the best option to combat the Thalmor.
It may seen that way ostensibly, but remember the way Titus Mede II acted when you meet (to assassinate him) in Skyrim? Acted just like Septim in Oblivion: prophetic.
And I don't think it was bluster. The empire knows things the Stormcloaks don't. Maybe they have a way to combat the Thalmor which doesn't, at the current time, involve fighting. The only reason hammerfell was even able to boot the thalmor out of the alik'r at all was because the empire weakened the thalmor after the battle of the red ring. Think about it, the thalmor were just as weak as the imperial army was at that point yet hammerfell took 5 MORE YEARS to defeat WEAKENED thalmor forces. Who's to say the empire is not having ambassadors spy on the thalmor? The player never goes to Alinor or the rest of the dominion to see if that happens.
Not to mention that if the thalmor DID take cyrodil and the other nations and just left skyrim and hammerfell, they would definitely be doomed. The Thalmor tricked Ulfric into instigating the civil war to weaken the empire so invading skyrim full force would be easier while the troops are occupied fighting each other instead of remaining vigilant.
Plus if the thalmor were to invade by sea, skyrims ships are no more than canoes while the empire has ACTUAL ships. Not to mention that without any imperial influence.skyrims economy would topple. Ulfric is just a Thalmor pawn. It would be nice to see some decent arguments for the pro-empire side, but as usual the vast majority of them rely on silly leaps of logic like the willingly spy infested empire (they let the thalmor build forts in their territory and have them attend political gatherings for gods sake)being super geared up to fight back or random claims with zero evidence such as 'Because Ulfric is dumb!'
– so prove it; Give me an example of Ulfric doing something only a human of below average intelligence would do – and keep in mind he was pretty damn young during most of his written back story, I think he was barely over 20 when the great war ended. Then there's the constant display of failed reading comprehension in regards to that thalmor dossier, that never gets old.
Examples: 'if I have to choose it's Empire because better chance at comeback' gives zero explanation. Thinks stormcloak = thalmor example of the dossier misinterpretation again. 'Not enough balls hurr' 'Because the dividing the race of Men apart further is just giving the Thalmor what they want. Also because the Stormcloaks are retarded idealists in general.' Makes Wild claims and downright childish generalizations without evidence.
Implies the thalmor spies in skyrim would be able to take on the victorious stormcloaks, let alone survive being massacred before they can get the fuck out of dodge. 'Ulfric is dumb' – see above Is confused, thinking that this is the same empire as previous games. 'Ulfric has no idea what he's doing, because he doesn't know the Thalmor's strength' as if anyone fucking does, nice logic.
for the rest see above Mede II seemed 'Prophetic' ooook 'Empire knows things the stormcloaks don't' We really aren't given much indication of this. 'Thalmor pawn hurr durr' Implies the Empire would come back after getting BTFO, as if they can spare the man power when they are already recruiting locally. Thinks skyrim needs shekels to stay afloat tries to imply the nords aren't tough as shit. trivializes the snow elves getting btfo. The only good arguments are from people like who aren't even totally pro-empire, they just examine the possibilities. Anyway, my post is taking up enough space as is but where I stand is pretty obvious and the why has been pretty well covered by the other pro-stormcloaks. I can't say how fucked either of them would be because we really don't know how strong the Thalmor are right now, they are certainly well-informed thanks to the emperor.
'How will the two very different potential outcomes be handled in TES VI?' It will likely be extremely vague as per usual and will either be far enough removed from the events that it won't be brought into detail or far enough ahead in time that the characters of skyrim are dead. The events of TESV won't really matter in regard to the Civil War. The 'actual' deciding battles will take place a few years after TESV - and the victor will be decided by Bethesda.
Chances are, Skyrim is going to stay in the Empire.If Bethesda decides the Empire was defeated, there will be another push by the new Emperor - whoever takes over after Mede II - to take back Skyrim that is defeated. If they decide Empire wins, the Stormcloak rebels will still exist several years after the Civil War and make another major push to kick the new offensive out of Skyrim and will be defeated.
Ulfric is almost certainly going to be considered killed either during the Civil War or shortly afterwards (historians are unsure, of course). Off topic: I'm going to want the sauce on that episode in your.gifWho did you side with, if anyone?When I first started playing, I sided with the Stormcloaks.
Later on with different characters, I kept choosing Imperials.Why?Simply because I can make more attractive Imperial people. And they're kind of like the Holy Roman Empire.How will the two very different potential outcomes be handled in TES VI?I'm sick of Ulfric and Elisif's shit. They can both die of syphilis after a torrid love affair. I just want the death of the Emperor by the Dark Brotherhood to be mentioned.How fucked is the Empire without Skyrim?The Empire loses a few trade routes without Skyrim. That's it.How fucked is Skyrim without the Empire?They're not. Skyrim only needs the Empire's forces if there's an invasion by other continents. The Alik'r can't even handle a single low level adventurer in groups of five with ten scimitars among them.
Khajiit's are too fucked up on moon sugar. There's too much dry land for Argonian wetbacks to fight without the option of fleeing into the water if they're losing, but the Aldmeri Dominion might pose a problem.
As much as I hate the Thalmor douchebags, they do have mastery of magic and sheer numbers. Who did you side with, if anyone?Stormcloaks every time besides once when I went to experience the other end.Why?Empire is run by an incompetent warlord family with no legitimacy. Empire is over in words of Wulf himself.Ulfric is right about everything.How will the two very different potential outcomes be handled in TES VI?Both and none at the same time. Tulius - Ulfric - Dragonporn enantiomorph.How fucked is the Empire without Skyrim?It'll gravel back in 50 years and submit to Skyrim.How fucked is Skyrim without the Empire?It isn't. Elves can't handle Hammerfell and Skyrim is too far away. who did you side withimperials usually but I also like to go with the compromise path, something tells me that's the canon path.why?I've always loved roman shit and the imperial armor looks cool to me. I also sided with caeser even though I didn't agree with them just because I love how their armor looks.how will the two very different outcomes be handled in tes6?I think that skyrim will be made into two separate provinces but their bitter rivalry will dissipate over time.
It'd be really cool for a east/west Germany kind of thing. Of course stormcloaks would be DDR and imperials would be west germany.how fucked is the empire without skyrimnot that much, skyrim didn't have very much industry or agriculture.
To be frank, it was a shithole. All it is to the imperials is more land that could be used.how fucked is skyrim without the empirewell tell me, how is skyrim industry looking? How about their farmland? Skyrim is fucked without the empire. It's a province that relies almost entirely on importation.
The only thing skyrim is known for producing is weapons and armor and even then they're weapons are getting outclassed by dunmer weapons which are not only of superior build but cheaper. StormcloakBecause the Imperials are without a dynasty now and are essentially ToG.No idea really.
But I believe the Stormcloak was the intended path to pick anyways.Skyrim is a cashcow for the empire currently thanks to things like the silvermines. They're fucked but this will also fuck the Thalmor.Skyrim under its own rule will lead down a path of prosperity. Skyrim can hold its own.Or they could continue down the path with the empire, Altmari dominion, and illegal worship of their god and soon there won't be nords or skyrim left. Stormcloaks 4 lyfe.Ulfric is the true high king, and an independent skyrim will become a safe haven for talos worshipers.I want the stormcloak ending to be canon, but that's far too much to expect in current yearSomewhat. It mostly depends on how quickly they cut their losses and go for more long term peace talks.Not very. Between the mountains to the east, west, and south and the sea of ghosts to the north, any invaders will have a very hard time getting in and then keeping their supply lines intact.Uncooperative is the keyword there.
A quick Stormcloak victory is about the worst possible outcome for the Thalmor. And why let him get executed by Tullius unless he's worth more to them alive than dead? Tiber Septim is the first man to unify all of Tamriel through conquest, including Skyrim and begins the Septim dynastyEmpire outlaws worship of himStormcloaks get in a huff about it and the Thalmor and civil war beginsSo let's get this straight.The Stormcloaks fight for their freedom from the Empire and their right to worship the guy who founded that very Empire and shackled them to it in the first place while the Empire bans the worship of their founder to appease some banana wizards.Why do you fetchers care about this shitty plot point exactly? The Empire was born of men, and not the other way around. That its leadership so readily threw Hammerfell under the bus is proof enough that Skyrim gains nothing by helping sustain it.2.
Talos is the strongest anchor keeping the world together; in erasing his worship the Thalmor are trying to erase him, and further their plan to unmake Mundus and attain immortality as lesser et'ada. The Emperor's acceptance of the White-Gold Concordat plays directly into this, and the only way it can be enforced is if the Empire holds Skyrim. game starts with trying to execute you for crossing borderthe only border you could have crossed was to the south so you aren't an illegal immigranteither the empire doesn't even let its citizens move freely within the Empire meaning its not a single nation at this point, they people for tax evasion, or they're crazy and randomly execute citizens for being spiesafter escape you find a torture chamber that is well supplied and rather largeWhy did Bethesda actually think people would support the Empire based on that intro alone?
Even past that there's no real in-game reasons given to support the Empire. As poor a reason as 'muh racism' is, the idea the Stormclocks are racist is undercut by the game itself anyways: Niranye, living in Stormclock central, states that once she got established they ceased to care about her race.
Niranye is an Altmer fresh off the boat from Summerset Isle (Thalmor capital) and she got Windhelm to accept her.Don't forget High Rock. With Hammerfell already independent, an Independent Skyrim would cut High Rock off from Cyrodiil and they'd have to go independent (or be absorbed by Hammerfell/Skyrim) regardless of if they wanted to.No, that means he would be put in charge of reconquering Hammerfell.
Funny when I hear some hipster complain about the racist Stormcloaks, especially considering what a bleeding-heart fagget Ulfric actually is. His city-state is under threat of siege. Great time to harbor a bunch of entitled knife-ears who 1.)show no loyalty, 2.)don't contribute, and 3.)can't get along with the natives. Nice recipe for insurrection you have there, genius.
Not only is it reckless, it treads on Windhelm's historical roots, yet he paints himself as this staunch traditionalist. Remind you of someone in real life? The Empire needs to go, but at the same time Skyrim deserves a stronger leader than Ulfric. If Bethesda was worth a shit, that would have been us, the goddamn Dragon of the North, but they're too chickenshit to break away from the formula. Who did you side with, if anyone?I've found reason to join either side depending on my character. Most of the time I go Stormcloak, but I think the correct option in the long term is the Empire.Why?The Stormcloaks are righteous in their cause, but an upstart noble like Ulfric does not possess legitimate authority within the framework of the Empire as both a physical and metaphysical entity.How will the two very different potential outcomes be handled in TES VI?There are a few options. 1) TES:VI will be set before or at the same time as the Civil War, meaning the metanarrative will be safely identical to Skyrim.
2) It will be set later, and the Civil War will be handed to either faction (probably the Empire considering it's what the game leans towards considering Balgruuf, unique voice for Hadvaar, and other things). 3) As says, Warp in the North caused by the Dragonborn's meddling with time when atop the Throat of the World.How fucked is the Empire without Skyrim?With only Highrock and (one would assume) Orsinium remaining to bolster a war-torn and depleted Cyrodiil, fucked.How fucked is Skyrim without the Empire?With only mid-war Hammerfell as an ally, having to recover from Civil War and having all trade south cut off, fucked.
Considering the Empire immediately pulled out of Morrowind and let the Argonians rape the country and leave Hlaalu to be destroyed I'd think Hlaalu are the most likely to go stormcloak.Dunmer in general make more sense to be on the Skyrim side, the High King literally gave them a large island out of charity and Ulfric for all the supposed hate we're told he has for Dunmer let's them live and work in and around his city. The Empire on the other hand occupied Morrowind for ages past, sucked it dry of resources and then didn't even try to defend it when it was attacked. leave Hlaalu to be destroyedHlaalu are the most likely to go stormcloakThe Telvanni got decimated by lizards. Quite likely the Dres also got their shit pushed in. But the Hlaalu sellouts were rescued by the Empire and the puppet High King. Have you ever paid attention to who inhabits Windhelm? Or why couldn't they settle on Solstheim?
They're all Hlaalu fucks who fled from Redoran persecution and enjoyed the comforts of imperial NGO refugee boats. Just look what they're doing in Windhelm, constantly hiding behind the legion shill, Brunwulf. Meanwhile Galmar's brother goes to their quarter every night and tells them to fuck off back to Morrowind and Galmar waits for the war to end before he moves in to purge the pajeets.Explain this one for me, nords?When you play the civil war on legion's side and Balgruuf sends you to give Ulfric the message, Ulfric says: 'I have shown the people that when our Jarls drink the Empire's milk, it makes us weak.'
He means they're all cumguzzlers. Who did you side with, if anyone?Originally, Stormcloaks but then I lost interest and never sided with anyone. Right now, I'd choose the Stormcloaks.Why?Strategically more sound option. start gamefags in skirts want me dead because wrong place wrong timenot even on the listsee thalmor murder people for being 'talos worshipers'bunch of fags in skirts running around in a land where the people clearly don't fucking want them involved.90% of the lore dump for them are 'we don't want to be at war we wanna go fight elves that is why we are fighting men so the elves can murderfuck whoever they want with there secret police'some 'i like money and i need to be friends with the empire to whore skyrims resources to them.'
empire basically switched sides to fuck men over for the sake of mer and 'Peace'but ulfric is bad because he don't like dark elves and a book says that the thalmor want to draw out the civil war as long as possible and that makes him a tr80r. For trying to finish the civil war as quickly as possible.why did Balgruf decide to fuck ulflric again? He was a talos worshiper who was scared the empire was going to fuck his shit up if he didn't lift his skirt for them & their dom? Why no he fallows the dargonborn and coin tosses his dission? Also any u fags play without dragons constantly fucking shit up? Imagine getting a quest to kill a bandit leader where you don't have to kill 2 dragons to get there only for a third to be wipeing the base for you.
You wana do civil war b4 you unlock the dragons?NO FUCK YOU BalgruF WONT TAKE THE DAM AXE FROM YOU B4 he makes you a thane AND THEN HE BITCHES THAT THE fetcher WHO SHOWED UP IN FULL STORMCLOAK GEAR SIDED WITH ULFRIC OVER HIM. JUST TAKE MY AXE fetcher.
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